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Norma Hennessy
Thank you for the tips. Great to have some bits of info in reserve. Just like to point out that If you go by the relationship of the vowel (e) and the consonant (t) as a clue for the hard pronunciation of the T in MOET, i noticed that the vowel ‘e’ does not follow the T but precedes it.
TBR
Hi Norma, thanks so much for your comment. The vowel follows the t in the full name Moët et Chandon. If you read to the end, there is another reason explained for the hard t. Cheers!
Jane Bridgwood
I thought exactly that, but on reading on, the vowel e that comes after the t is the one at the beginning of the word “et” in the whole term, Moët et Chandon.
Kate
It’s not followed by a vowel, it is preceded by a vowel. If it was followed by a vowel, said vowel would be AFTER the ‘t’.
TBR
Hi Kate, thanks so much for your comment. The vowel follows the t in the full name Moët et Chandon. If you read to the end, there is another reason explained for the hard t. Cheers!
Jennifer
Thank goodness someone raised this
Roz
I’ve had this same conversation with a few wine snobs who look at me with undisguised condescension because I obviously don’t know any better.
Well, Um…yes! I do.
Where’s that smug FB emoji?
TBR
Hi Roz, thanks so much for your comment. Hopefully this gives you comfort and support to – say it loud say it proud! 🙂
Steph
I learned how to say it from Killer Queen. Mowet e Chandon. Lol.
R
Because french don’t pronounce the T’s
TBR
If you read the blog, you’ll discover it’s not that. Cheers!
Brian
Freddie Mercury knew a thing or two. 😉
Susan Fawcett
Yes, as the original derivation is Dutch, it is not a French name so ‘mowett’ is correct
Karen
Thank you for backing up what I learned years ago although I was told it was because of the umlaut and have been merrily pronouncing Moët correctly since then.
TBR
Thanks Karen!
Brunswickgirl
I think you meant to write that the T is preceded by a vowel, not followed by.
I was told this story many years ago and do receive the sympathetic look when I pronounce ( I try to avoid it, if I can).
Also, I would like to say that the term “French” to describe Champagne is actually unnecessary, as Champagne can only be called such if it comes from the Champagne region. I refer to the other wines as “Sparkling whites”
TBR
Hi Brunswickgirl, thanks so much for your comment. The vowel follows the t in the full name Moët et Chandon. And yes that is correct about using the term “French” but thought it useful in this context. There will be an upcoming blog on Champagne v Sparkling. Cheers!
Michael
Yes we need to educate people who tend to say moeee. I am so glad that you took the trouble to write the article. Well done.
TBR
Thanks Michael!
Valda Barron
We had been told this during a tour of Moët et Chandon in Champagne, many years ago but like you, was amazed at how many people tried to convince me otherwise. once I knew the correct pronunciation I could never pronounce it any other way.
TBR
Hi Valda, thanks for your comment and sharing your experience. 🙂
Carleen van Nellestijn
Who cares how you pronounce it, I just know it tastes the bestest
TBR
Cheers Carleen!
JRW
Great that you have written an article on this. I sometime say it correctly others not because I can’t be bothered with “the look” What you are saying however initially I’m afraid doesn’t work. In French the “e” following a t must be part of the same word to make it “T” as you put it. “Petit” -puhtee compared to “Petite” -puhteat if it was “petit et grand” would still be “puhtee eh gron”. Please excuse some of the phoenetic spellings.
TBR
Hi JRW, thanks for your comment. Not sure if that is correct about the French language, my understanding is different. But as we know in the end of the article it is not the French name as the reason for the hard T. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Cheers 🙂
KAD
It would most certainly still be pronounced “peh-teet eh gron” because French pronunciation works in such a way to eliminate glottal stops, which would happen when two vowels meet (if you say “a apple”, you can hear/feel how a glottal stop works). “Peh-tee eh gron” would create a glottal stop, and are not really a thing that occurs in French.
TBR
Thanks for the explanation Kad! 🙂
Meg Bollen
my understanding is that it has nothing to do with French – it is a Dutch word!!! the ‘e’ has an accent that does not exist in French as far as I know I will say it as it is meant to be said having many years ago gone to the official website to solve my dilemma!
TBR
Hi Meg, did you read to the end of the article? Cheers 🙂
Jonie
I personally love zibbibo. Great for summer & easy drinking. Brown Brothers or Cold Stone, just awesome!!!!!
TBR
Hi Jonie, thanks for your tip for your favourite sparklings. We have some upcoming posts on that too. Cheers!
Noeleen Stewart
Thank you for that we have just come back from Europe and found the same thing and also Tattinger is NOT how we say it at all – very hard to get out of that habit I tell you! We have such a crass language compared to some European ones but still so happy to live in this wonderful country. Thanks for the info and look forward to following you.
TBR
Hi Noeleen, thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience. I always say that you can say anything in French and it sounds beautiful – take the sentence – I would like a ham and cheese sandwich compared to – Je voudrais une baguette avec jambon et fromage. But there is nothing quite like coming home after being away and hearing that Aussie twang! 🙂
Ingrid
Thank you for finally clarifying this for me. We named our cat Moet (since he came from Moe in Victoria and cost a fortune) and have been calling him ‘Mowee’ for 7 years 🙂
Guess he is going to have to get used to a new name …
TBR
Ha ha! Thanks for sharing that story Ingrid. Yes, what to call your cat now??
rod pombart
Not a problem. From now on I’ll just ask for a bottle of Chando!
TBR
🙂
Trina
Yes I once did some promotional modeling for them and when they told me how to pronounce after 3 years of high school French…I too was confused. However nobody has ever listened to me so thank you
TBR
Hi Trina, thanks for sharing your story. I hope you got to taste some when you were doing the modelling?! 🙂
Megan
I will now be sure to pronounce the ‘t’. Unless you know it’s Dutch though (as we all do now) it’s hard to pick it – French does have a native double dot (umlaut) like accent called a trema which doesn’t look out of place on Moët to the non-expert (e.g. like Zoë, Noël)
TBR
Thanks Megan, yes a couple of people have mentioned the trema in French language. Thanks for the reminder, yes you do see it but not as common as the other accents. I told the story as it was explained to me by the guide which is why I used the term umlaut. Cheers 🙂
Sue
This reminds me if the many debates I’ve had with people who do not understand that you say “John and I went to the winery” and you say “Tim, would you like to go to the winery with John and me” (IT’S NOT JOHN AND I!!!!) By the way, I did not know the correct pronunciation of Moet, so many thanks.
TBR
Thanks Sue. Cheers!
Jill
Thank you for your correct information. This is something I did need to know, as it is truly my favourite champagne. C’est magnifique!
TBR
Thanks Jill! Cheers!
Garry
Or you could be completely wrong, Moet is a Dutch name and is pronounce “mert”
I thought Journalist were supposed to do at leas some reasearch.
TBR
Hi Garry, thanks for your comment. Not sure if you read to the end of the article? The research I did is mentioned in the story and it was from my personal visit to the winery. Cheers!
Vadne
What you referred to as an umlaut, as in Moët, is actually a dieresis.
An umlaut is a mark used over a vowel, as in German or Hungarian, to indicate a different vowel quality, usually fronting or rounding, example being frau /fräulein.
A dieresis is a mark place over a vowel to indicate that it is sounded in a separate syllable, examples being ï as in naïf; ë as in noël or Moët
TBR
Hi Vadne, yes a couple of people have mentioned either the dieresis or trema in French language. Thanks for the reminder, yes you do see it but not as common as the other accents. I told the story as it was explained to me by the guide on my visit to the winery that day, which is why I used the term umlaut. Cheers 🙂
Allard de Kam
Being a champagne lover, with Ozzie friends, from Dutch decent and able to speak some French I can not help myself to reply. I was at Moët in Epernay on the 28th of october this year. We had a tour and saw the pictures of the founders of the estate. One had a shield with a banner that said: het moet zoo zyn. This is old fashioned dutch and translates roughly into: it has to be this way/it is how it is. There are undeniably Dutch roots, the guide admitted but also explained that the background and meaning of the word moet and the relation to Moët is still unclear. Moet is a normal Dutch word and even a name, the ë however isn’t and is probably more French than Dutch. Loved your article and hopefully this contributes to the enjoyment of champagne instead of the confusion. As for the ‘t’: in Dutch it’s hard 😉
TBR
Hi Allard, thanks for your comment. We obviously had different guides on our visits, and I don’t speak any Dutch, but pleased that we can agree that it is a hard T. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the article. Cheers 🙂
jane
Aussie pronunciation of French is abysmal most of the time. In SA ‘vin’ (wine) rhymes with bin instead of van.
TBR
Cheers Jane!
Christine
The two dots over the ‘e’ in Moët are not an umlaut. It is a tréma. An umlaut looks the same but in Germanic languages it actually changes the sound of the vowel.
In French, an ‘e’ with two dots over it will always follow another vowel and the two dots indicate that the two vowels are to be pronounced separately. Two examples that come to mind are Noël and Citroën (yes, Aussies pronounce that incorrectly, too. It should be “cit-ro-en”, not “cit-rown”.)
You can also find some French words that have the tréma over the ‘i’, such as naïf (naive) and maïs (corn).
TBR
Hi Christine, thanks for you comment, yes a couple of people have mentioned the trema in French language. Thanks for the reminder and the explanation. Yes you do see it but not as common as the other accents. I told the story as it was explained to me by the guide on that day which is why I used the term umlaut. Cheers 🙂
Rhiannon
I always knew it as Moe if you’re showy, Moet if you know it!!
adidas nmd
I don’t usually comment but I gotta admit thank you for the post on this perfect one :D.
adidas nmd
Wohh exactly what I was searching for, regards for posting.
Ashley van Ryneveld
One of my favourites is Seppelt’s Tatinger ??
TBR
Thanks Ashley. Cheers!
casquette new era
Merci pour cet article
Jane Francis
Have just found 2 really nice sparkling wines, Bird in Hand is a little sweeter but really nice very chilled and the second is of course from Tasmania, Devils Corner Chardonnay Pinot Noir, just soooo easy drinking.
TBR
Thanks Jane. Cheers!
Vonny
Syn – Leconsfield SA my current favourite
TBR
Thanks Vonny, I haven’t seen that sparkling before. Will add it to my tasting list. Cheers!
Helen Wooz
I had a bottle of Sparkling Riesling from the Moorilla winery (next to MONA) $29 it was superb! One that I will always look for now. But, I think it’s only sold at the winery ?
TBR
Thanks Helen. I have recently tried the Moorilla Rose, which is lovely. Will look out for the riesling on my next trip to the winery. Cheers!
Helen Wood
I had a beautiful bottle of Sparkling Riesling from Moorilla Winery here in Hobart Tasmania! Highly recommend it!!
TBR
Thanks Helen. I have recently tried the Moorilla Rose, which is lovely. Will look out for the riesling. Cheers!
Pam
Adelaide Hilss bubbles are usually a really good drop, although sometimes too easy to drink! Lois from The Lane Vineyard, The Last Hurrah from Goldings & Bird in the Hand sparkling. Hugo’s sparkling from McLaren Vale is also a very refreshing one.
TBR
Thanks Pam, yes some lovely sparklings from Adelaide Hills. I haven’t tried all of those you mention so will add them to my tasting list. Cheers!
Pauline Collings
Hi,
Really enjoy your articles and my bubbles are the last 3 haven’t tried the first one – one fir the list although Chandon is def my favourite of this group. I am the owner of Winestoppers Australia I sell gorgeous diamanté encrusted champagne poppers and wine accessories, I was wondering if you would be interested in featuring them in an article they are a perfect fit. Cheers Pauline
TBR
Thanks Pauline. Feel free to send us an email on info@thebubblesreview.com Cheers!
Jennifer Merlo
And no House of Arras??? Given that it’s the most awarded Australian Sparkling year after year !!! ??
TBR
Thanks Jennifer. I agree House of Arras is a lovely sparkling. A bit more expensive than the others we featured. Cheers!
Maxene Murphy
The sparkling from The Lane called Lois Lane is very nice too. Light with nice soft bubbles. Must try??
TBR
Thanks Maxene. I’ve just discovered that on some research that I have been doing so will definitely add it to my tasting list. Cheers!
Ineke Mast
I think Delamere from Pipers Brook in Tassie should appear on this list. The NV Sparkling Rose ($30) in my humble opinion, is the best value bubbles in Australia.
TBR
Thanks Ineke. Have added it to my tasting list. Cheers!
Stuart skelton
You forgot the highly awarded Taltarni Tache’.
TBR
Thanks Stuart. Yes I agree, Taltarni is another lovely sparkling. Cheers!
Michael Harrison
I am a bit biased, but a seriously good producer from The Adelaide Hills is Deviation Road. All Method Traditionelle wines, vintage called ‘loftia’, NV rose ‘altair’ both pretty accessible price points, and then there is the flagship ‘Beltana’. All outstanding and worth seeking out.
TBR
Thanks Michael. Yes Deviation Road have come up a few times in my research so will definitely add them to my tasting list. Cheers!
Cynthia
Bird in Hand from the Adelaide Hills is one of my favourites
http://www.birdinhand.com.au/shop/sparkling-wine/bird-in-hand
TBR
Thanks Cynthia. That is a lovely sparkling rose. Cheers!
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Chris
The French equivalent of the umlaut is the ‘tréma’…it is used in names such as ‘Citroën’ and means the two vowels are pronounced separately.
Cheers!
Laurence Karadimas
Thank you so much for the great article, it was fluent and to the point. Cheers.
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Sung Rathmell
I like material like this. This is a great article and I really enjoyed reading it. You have an original style that makes your ideas stand out from other writers.
Danielle Humber
Perfect read ! ??
TBR
Thanks Danielle. Cheers!
Cristy Yang
You must not have been speaking to a native French speaker when you did your tour.
1. Umlauts are ABSOLUTELY used In French. They are called tréma in French and are used in the words Noël, naïveté, maïs, etc., for example.
2. There is never liaison in proper nouns in French. Because Moët is a name, the idea of pronouncing the hard t because it’s followed by a vowel is 100% wrong.
3. The hard t is in fact pronounced in Moët in spite of 2. because the founder’s name was actually Dutch in origin and this is the ONLY reason for pronouncing the hard t.
TBR
Yes, Cristy, if you read to the end. We agree on number 3. Cheers!
Allison Pivac
Think I shall give the friend day a try! Great idea but will probably need a few as there’s so many I’d love to try! ???
TBR
Hi Allison, let me know how you go. It is a great way to get together with friends and try some new bubbly! Cheers Natalie
kate fitzroy
perfect explanation and I have just copied it and sent it to my French friend who insists it is Moway and that the vowel of ‘et’ does not count as it never changes the ending of the previous word. I had always thought this the reason but now understand the ë. MERCI BIEN!
TBR
You’re welcome! Thanks Kate 🙂 Cheers!
Jacqueline Briginshaw
My French father found, as he approached 90 years of age that, due to failing health, he could no longer tolerate his beloved red wine, but champagne was still fine! I miss him and the champagne now! He would have enjoyed your article!
TBR
Thank you Jacqueline, that is a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing.
Lulu
Good Lord, you have some very confrontational commenters! Thank you for your insights 🙂